23 Sep 2010

Another comment from a visitor

Neil Bateman writes:
I find your site interesting.

The problem is that the media reports you rely on are usually misleading. In particular the amounts allegedly defrauded in individual cases is usually inflated as a result of poor knowledge and skill among benefits officials. The worst offenders are housing benefit staff who frequently fail to re-assess peoples' claims properly in the light of the true circumstances and instead assume there was nil entitlement.

I am a welfare rights specialist and I have carried out over 100 in-depth investigations for the Courts into benefit fraud cases. In over 95% of cases, the amounts defrauded have been incorrect - anywhere between 10% and 100%.

In addition, in most cases, if people had declared their position they would have received other benefits or tax credits which further reduces the true loss to public funds and which is relevant for sentencing.

Unfortunately very few criminal lawyers understand social security law, so these issues are rarely properly examined in prosecutions - I've had prosecution lawyers say as much.

I sent a summary of my findings to the Commons Select Committee last year and have met senior DWP officials to share my concerns. I can send this to you if you give me your email address.

People should be punished for what they have actually defrauded, not for amounts which are incorrect. If you steal £100 from a cash machine, you should get punished for stealing £100, not £500.

The inflated figures result in some people going to jail who should not and they distort the amount allegedly clawed back from benefit fraud - l know because I have had amounts revised dramatically downwards after my reports have been served on the prosecution, including many cases where people would have gone to jail unless I had shown the amounts were wrong.

Finally, your website often conflates the issues of benefit fraud with benefit dependency. The former is a criminal offence. The latter a complex socio-economic problem.

4 comments:

Anonymous said...

Welfare Rights have a vested interest in benefit depedancy and do all they can to get fraudsters off. They coach them with answers to give to get more benefits.

The classic Welfare Rights stance is if someone claims JSA and works they will simply say if they are working they should get Working Tax Credits, and so they are owed money as opposed to being overpaid due to fraud.

Anonymous said...

I work in Housing Benefit and have years of knowledge. If I didnt assess claims properly I would have been sacked long ago.

Personally, I think more claims should be refused and our Fraud team should be more pro-active.

The common denominator in these blogs is that people lie to get more money. Is that the fault of benefit staff?

Anonymous said...

"Welfare Rights have a vested interest in benefit dependency and do all they can to get fraudsters off. They coach them with answers to give to get more benefits.

The classic Welfare Rights stance is if someone claims JSA and works they will simply say if they are working they should get Working Tax Credits, and so they are owed money as opposed to being overpaid due to fraud."

This statement is outrageous. The writer offers no evidence to back up the allegation and makes a slur against all independent advisers.

Just who are the people who do this then?

The notional tax credit stance is a view taken by none other than the Court of Appeal.

Anonymous said...

I've seen this at tribunals, including a welfare rights officer who wanted to translate until the chariman adjourned until an independant interpreter could be booked.

Also seen an inacapacity claimant walk up and down 4 flights of stairs with a welfare rights officer and then tell the tribunal that he had trouble walking. No doubt welfare rights will say he has "good days and bad days".

Genuine claimants will lose out when the coalation cuts happen.