26 Aug 2010

A complaint about the benefit fraud website

A reader has complained about the benefit fraud website. You can read his complaints and judge for yourselves.
Could you please tell me where you get your statistics for the reported benefit fraud you scandalously misrepresented on the website you run http://www.benefitfraud.org.uk/index.html?

The information is so incorrect as to be classed as fraudulent.

I'd appreciate a response I can place on a website I run that exposes corruption by charities and organisations that misrepresent disabled people and their carers.

Mr Clive Arnold [a commenter has found his site and blog, see the postscript]

found: Searching for false disability benefit figures made by ignorant/stupid/misinformed people
To which I answered: "Which number, for instance?"

He replied (my comments to him inserted in italics):
All of your statistics please, independent links/reports rather than Tory biased slewed ones. A good starting point would be that many people that claim DLA have Incapacity Benefit as part of that payment, attempting to state that the 2 benefits are claimed by two separate groups is wrong (not slightly misunderstood but wrong, check JSA fraud and error for instance)

All the numbers? They're sourced with links, I think.

What do you mean by "attempting to state"?


Also I'd like to know the services your organisation (Miles and Page Ltd) provides/supplies please, also what political affiliations it has (if any) and why the site is bordering on breaching the Disability Discriminations Act (almost a hate site)

None. What is your web site?

This web site gets hundreds of viewings each week and no one has ever come up with your claims. I deny it is a hate site. It covers benefit fraud. So does the blog.


You claim to report benefit fraud but you concentrate on disability benefits, by your own figures THE LEAST DEFRAUDED! Your figures are also out of date, your figures on Carers Allowance is based on when it was classed as Invalidity Carers Allowance, or is your research so biased as you are using false stats to persecute disabled people?

I am always happy to be told sourced, updated figures and look forward to your input.

I flatly deny concentrating on disability benefits or persecuting disabled people. Substantiate or withdraw.


In short, your figures are out of date, your sums don't add up and you seem to be targeting your biased angry (sic) at disabled people rather than at the benefits that have higher rates (supposedly) of fraud. So what's your problem?

Hm, where does the web site get angry? Do you see much anger on the blog (to which you have not referred)?

I'll post your comments on the blog if you like, but I would need to see your web site first.
And this was the answer
thank you for your reply, ....

We (sic) shall be taking the matter up with your hosting company as your blind hatred of people in receipt of DLA and other disability related benefits show you are unable to see exactly how inappropriate your website content is and how far removed from reality you appear to be.

Mr Clive Arnold
And I answered "I note you have answered none of my questions, not even about the address of your own site?"

Following this latest communication I am opening his complaints (which were not marked confidential) to a wider audience, so that he can get his objections seen in public and readers can form their own views.

P.S. A commenter has found his blog (which I failed to do, so well done and thank you, you know who you are but I don't!).

7 comments:

Anonymous said...

I applaud your blog. I read it every day. From what I read, the information is linked to sources that publicly print the information as verified fact.
Keep up the good work!
I claim basic income support. I have worked most of my life, but due to breaking my back cannot do so anymore, but I will not take any more than the basic to live on. I can live on it, and am grateful for it. I also put all my effort into helping my community, trying to give back as best I can to those that supplement my income.

John Page said...

Thanks for taking the trouble to post that, and deepest sympathy about your back. Words can't cut it.

Anonymous said...

I work in benefits and its always interesting to read your blog, keep it up.

John Page said...

Thank you - again, much appreciated.

Anonymous said...

Mr Cxxxx Axxxxxx's blog can be found here:

http://uk-carers.org.uk/blog/

It has links to his latest message board and website.

Rather than exposing "corruption by charities and organisations that misrepresent disabled people and their carers." it is a vehicle for attacking carers charities and individual carers of disabled people based on unfounded allegations.

I also note that Mr Axxxxx has failed to mention that the content of his previous message boards has resulted in the withdrawal of web hosting by eight - or is it nine? One tends to lose count - web hosts for breach of TOS, he is now reduced to using a US "Free Speech" web host which also hosts anti-semitic and white supremacist websites. Pots and kettles?

John Page said...

Post updated following your great detective work - thank you

Anonymous said...

I can honestly say that all benefit frauds won't be caught at all. My friend claims sickness and has for 8 years at£150 pound per week when there is nothing wrong with him. He has not been asked for a medical exam for 5 years. All he does is get us at 4pm everyday and sit on his arse playing his x box until around 3am. He has loads of lovely films, games and even afford to buy walls bacon rather than a cheaper brand. He moans that he doesn't get enough money. 5 people have reported him and still he is claiming. On the other hand I am recovering a broken back, I have 6 blood clots and i'm in agony everyday. Can I claim sick?.....no because I want and am willing to work. It makes me sick